Making a custom set of duds for a nice man. Making things for people can be difficult as not everyone is used to describing things in a way that I can understand. Man: And could the white part be darker? Me: The trim? Would you like it the same color as the (darker now) trousers? Man: Yes, sand colored. Dark sand. Almost black. Heh - I'm so visual I made what he had specified in a drawing - the trim being light. The drawing specified "dar red," so I asked, "What's dar red?" That turned out to be dark red. Working on custom jobs is like being a translator. I find that part a bit interesting. Also - men are modest. I had to redo it to make the top cover up a bit more - not the first time I've had to change something to make a top cover more. Men are really quite sweet and nice.